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The zip ties I had were just long enough to fit under the PC's case without any of the holder things being underneath it. About 1/2" of actual zip thread was exposed on the other side: enough to attach another zip tie to. So I started lining things up. Oh yeah, you can also see the X10 serial port module there. I'm using this box and Mister House to control various things remotely (the big-ass bubble machine Todd and Wy gave us being first and foremost among them).